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the oldest and strongest human emotion

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is fear the oldest and strongest type of

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fear is trepidation of young when we

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were children our parents told us that

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monsters didn't exist

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but we were sure that something is

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lurking under the bed or in the closet

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vier seeds even if our eyes are closed

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welcome to the realm of your cane my

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name is lawn stripper join me as I

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examine unexplained creatures strange

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manifestations and remarkable realities

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imagine this next hour as a voyage of

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discovered to strange lands seeking not

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for new territory but for new knowledge

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of the supernatural come on board as we

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begin this adventure together

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hey folks good evening and welcome to

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another episode of arcane radio

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I'm your host lawn Strickler and I thank

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you for joining me here and the

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introduce my guests I want to mention

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that count I recently received now this

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came from a gentleman in Laredo Texas

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who stayed he had a sighting that

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remained fresh in his mind for almost 20

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years he said when he was 17 he had just

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joined the band as a lead singer they

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were practicing outside when that all we

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all automatically stopped playing

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engaged in disbelief as a creature

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floated or slowly died and about 20 foot

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from the ground and about 20 foot away

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from us it can only be described as a

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baby with small head and red eyes

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it had no feathers just skinned under

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the wings it turned and looked at us as

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it was slowly gliding by aside for me

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there were three other witnesses and one

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of which passed away just a few years

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ago I have looked everywhere for years

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trying to identify this flying baby but

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I've never seen or heard of anything

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else reporting it now the closest I have

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found to the phenomena is the Mothman

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I think this creature may have been a

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young Mothman of sorts now the rate of

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Texas is an area that I have received a

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lot of reports over the years and in

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fact these reports include several UFO

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reports but I've also received a flying

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race shaped cryptid as well which I had

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to keeping track of nationwide for like

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the past 10 years also I had a very

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strange report from Lorado concerning

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would have been impossible possibly been

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the gentleman said he and his wife were

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returning from San Antonio on a Sunday

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he says wave had fallen asleep and so I

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taking one taking a 35 into Laredo

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the interstate I was in the right-hand

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lane as I came close to the bridge

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that's when I spotted what it first

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naked scuttling along the in bank of the

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road he was skinny pale skin and his

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about this person was all wrong the way

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mood as well as the way his arms and

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legs or animalistic than human with 26

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see what this guy was doing but however

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with my wife along it was close to

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midnight so I kept going forgetting the

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guy was just drunk I told my wife about

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it when you know that what I had seen

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when we arrived home and she thought it

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sounded like a drunken guy living under

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a bridge but after meeting several folks

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hearing about similar type of encounters

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I began to listen and it sounded what

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people described as a rake

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the creature was peril lowing

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paralleling the road so I never saw its

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face or eyes but the body shape was as

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close to the drawings I had seen so

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a hotbed of unexplained activity and I

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strange things so let's get started

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tonight's guest Linda Godfrey is an

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anomalies investigator author and artist

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Linda's written 19 books on strange

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creatures phenomena and people as a

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journalist she was the first to break

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the story the terrifying wolf like wolf

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werewolf like monstrosity lurking in the

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shadows shrouded forests around the

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frequent guest on national television

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and radio shows including Monster quest

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Lost Tapes monsters and mysteries coast

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to coast am and many many more Linda

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will appear in the upcoming film the

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brave Beast the Bray Road Beast which is

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her website can be found at Linda

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Godfrey dot-com Linda thanks for joining

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I'm really glad to be here

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you know I recently had the opportunity

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to watch set reading those film the Bray

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Road Beast in I was somewhat surprised

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at the history and lore associated with

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the area now because the occult activity

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said to be prevalent in the January you

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beasts may be a summon being or possibly

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a skinwalker well I I think you can't

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fact that there were some weird things

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going on you know I had always mentioned

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in my book that there there were some

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bags of mutilated dog remains found in a

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couple of places around the county some

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of the places where that occult activity

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was going on were really quite a

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distance from Bray Road there was said

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to be at one particular house over near

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whitewater lake which would be a good at

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least 20 minute drive so there weren't

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really a lot of things on Bray Road

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there was a woman's body found on Bray

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brought evidently from somewhere and

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busy but but late at night it usually is

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it's an easy place to dump something you

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don't want people to find again you know

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and there was a story going around that

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somebody had seen a person all dressed

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in black riding on a black horse with

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black hounds you know coming away from

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the that road so there were a number of

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that new film as well was the fact that

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when one of the key witnesses first went

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to visit with the animal control officer

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the one that gave me the werewolf fold

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the full it was a file folder marked

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werewolf that I was keeping all of the

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sightings in that book started flying

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off the bookshelf behind him you know

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and they both agreed to that and trust

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speaks hastily or lightly or false I

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very serious sort of person you know and

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shelf I believe it and Laurie - the

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witness they were kind of flabbergasted

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at that so there there have been these

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incidents and I do I I did discover just

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in the last year or so that because I've

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figure out why Bray wrote why this

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road where there's really nothing

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obvious but I did discover that it was a

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well used Native American Trail yeah and

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that it was a source of maple trees

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there were big maple groves there where

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which was a sacred thing because maple

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maintains life so this whole girl would

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have been very sacred to them and then I

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Bray Road where it runs into highway 11

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discovered that they were all pathways

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to other lake systems and they actually

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medicine wheel a medicine wheel is

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something it looks like a wheel from a

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wagon with all this folks and they can

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ceremonies for many tribes and as I

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more I found several sources that said

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the center of a natural medicine wheel

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not one built with rocks by people but

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that is farmed on to the landscape like

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this one is thought of as a portal or a

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vortex in for another place and so this

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is the closest I've come to to finding

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any kind of a background or history for

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the possible occult backgrounds and also

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farm owner that I've been assisting him

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in his field putting out dead deer

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roadkill deer from Illinois that he

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would bring down in his truck and we put

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them out and kind of observe what

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he had trail cameras we go and take

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notes and one of the things that

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occurred was that and I have this

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documented in my book monsters in my

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house we saw orange shaped forms in the

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tree lines in the daytime not not at

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night in the daytime that showed up on

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the trail cams and they would be there

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for a certain amount of time and then

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they would just be gone you know we

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would rule out a Sun sunshine flashing

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on it or you know sunset colors or

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anything this these were in in morning

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in daylight and then at the end there'd

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be something kind of furry and black

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against the camera lens or way way out

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in the field as if it had come out of

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these things

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and they look somewhat big shaped

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Bigfoot shaped to me he also had lots of

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different footprints too he had some

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that he calls fist prints which looked

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kind of like if you took a giant

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horseshoe and stomped it way down into

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the ground and then he had five

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canine prints that were very deep also

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and we're just talking about the the

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hind feet making you so what they were

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bipedal so tons of mysteries and that

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farm is located right near that same

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point where it would be in the center of

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the geological wagon wheel or prayer

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wheel all right yeah I'm familiar

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medicine wheels I mean we use medicine

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wheels and crystals and you know in

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certain type of central walls and such

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native Native people use those now the

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area we're talking about is that's

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Lafayette Township and whoa Walworth

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County Wisconsin which is near I guess

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is just east of Elkhorn right have the

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local authorities ever said much about

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the phenomena not really you know and

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when they have it's usually it's either

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jokey you know they were giving out

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silver bullets for a while they gave one

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to me I'm not sure not sure it went and

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and in one of the TV shows our County

283
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Sheriff put on a big white Boss Hogg

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style hat you know and and dressed up in

285
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a way that I've never seen him dressed

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before you know that was kind of odd but

287
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way back when you know the the local

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wildlife officials were saying things

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like well you know they didn't really

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see a 5 to 7 foot tall wolf-like

291
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creature walking on its hind legs what

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they saw was a 36 pound coyote um

293
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weirdly or we're very weirdly making a

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jump like 5 to 6 feet in the air and

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then suddenly it appeared in the

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headlights and they thought that just

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for this the the microsecond then it was

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up at the top of that leap and then they

299
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thought that they were seeing and that's

300
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such a stretch to me you know it just

301
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falls into it you can't even discuss it

302
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because it falls apart while you're

303
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trying to explain their view and

304
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anything to keep people away from you

305
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know clogging up Bray Road which in a

306
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way you can't book you can't blame them

307
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for not wanting they have to send out

308
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deputies use up their force take extra

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money from that sort of time spent

310
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patrolling crowds I think that there was

311
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a lot going on in that date in that the

312
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officials were trying to sort of poopoo

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it but generally cuckooing is about the

314
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way that it seemed in most cases what

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did it was consummated people believe

316
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that he's upright canines are well I've

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actually oh I started asking people when

318
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I had the chance I have a number of

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First Nation friends and met others

320
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along the way and asked for particular

321
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interviews with what one of the elders

322
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at the Ho Chunk nation who was also an

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anthropologist and what she said and

324
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what most of the ones I have interviewed

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have said is that they believe that the

326
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upright canines and Bigfoot are both

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originally spirit animals or spirit

328
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creatures they're not just animals

329
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they're spirit creatures with

330
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intelligence that come from another

331
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realm or the spirit world as they would

332
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call it and most often they believe that

333
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the entrance to and and exits to and

334
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from this world are located in

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freshwater Springs and that's why you'll

336
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so often find sacred burial mounds and

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the animal effigy mounds located very

338
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close to fresh water sources there was

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back in the 30s there was a actual

340
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report of one of these upright canines

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on top of a burial mound can you count

342
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of going to get a bit yeah yeah that was

343
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a really interesting incident it was not

344
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on Bray Road it was in Jefferson County

345
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the next County about the middle of the

346
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county near its its main time which is

347
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Jefferson and this was st. Coletta's and

348
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it was an Institute for the care of the

349
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developmentally disabled and back in it

350
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was 1936 and there was a night watchman

351
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was a former champion boxer so he's kind

352
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of a big guy who was supposed to make

353
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the rounds on foot I've seen on the

354
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internet some places people say he was

355
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driving by and that's not true at all he

356
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was making his usual rounds on foot and

357
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there was an Indian Mound close to what

358
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is now the highway in front of the

359
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building at that time it was sort of in

360
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the background of the buildings but he

361
00:17:06,809 --> 00:17:05,140
looked at it it seemed that there was

362
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somebody out standing on top of that

363
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burial mound so he went and looked

364
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closer and to a surprise it wasn't a

365
00:17:19,949 --> 00:17:14,799
person at all it was six to seven foot

366
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tall human humanoid and that's probably

367
00:17:26,730 --> 00:17:22,449
closer way to say it the way he

368
00:17:28,860 --> 00:17:26,740
described it it was almost like half dog

369
00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:28,870
man half Bigfoot it had some attributes

370
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in both and you can see in my book I was

371
00:17:36,180 --> 00:17:34,450
loaned a copy of the sketch made by his

372
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son Joseph sheckelman

373
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who was a Racine County newspaper editor

374
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at the time and when his father was he

375
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his father never told anyone about it

376
00:17:51,060 --> 00:17:49,330
except his wife who told him never to

377
00:17:52,830 --> 00:17:51,070
tell him anyone else but he confessed it

378
00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:52,840
to his son when he thought he was on his

379
00:17:57,110 --> 00:17:54,730
deathbed and had Joe draw this sketch

380
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for him you know at his direction and

381
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the interesting thing is that when the

382
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thing saw him the first night it ran

383
00:18:06,060 --> 00:18:04,150
away but he went back again the next

384
00:18:09,990 --> 00:18:06,070
night armed with a really large

385
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flashlight and kind of a billy club sort

386
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of light and the creature was there

387
00:18:17,789 --> 00:18:15,640
again this time it stood up and faced

388
00:18:21,060 --> 00:18:17,799
him and looked at him and it made sort

389
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of a it made a noise that he interpreted

390
00:18:27,060 --> 00:18:24,039
as sounding like the word Ghidorah which

391
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is the region in the Bible where Jesus

392
00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:32,470
was casting out spirits and you could I

393
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always have to play devil's advocate you

394
00:18:39,659 --> 00:18:36,880
know having ten years as a reporter it's

395
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sort of drilled into me it does occur to

396
00:18:44,159 --> 00:18:42,400
me that the girl and the duh you know

397
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those those sounds are part of the growl

398
00:18:48,750 --> 00:18:46,840
it may have growling in an unusual way

399
00:18:51,299 --> 00:18:48,760
but I thought it was interesting that he

400
00:18:54,659 --> 00:18:51,309
also thought that it sounded like

401
00:18:57,659 --> 00:18:54,669
that Ghidorah sir and he called it like

402
00:19:01,619 --> 00:18:57,669
a proto-human language was what he he

403
00:19:03,659 --> 00:19:01,629
addressed that as and he did seem to

404
00:19:06,210 --> 00:19:03,669
scare it away and as far as I know there

405
00:19:08,940 --> 00:19:06,220
were not any more incidents with that

406
00:19:11,580 --> 00:19:08,950
creature there but Jo Chaplin's father

407
00:19:14,310 --> 00:19:11,590
Mark who was the one that saw it said he

408
00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:14,320
looked into its eyes and he felt that it

409
00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:16,450
was quote-unquote a demon straight from

410
00:19:24,299 --> 00:19:22,450
Hell well you know with all the

411
00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:24,309
information that you've had over the

412
00:19:31,619 --> 00:19:27,369
years do you arm could just simply be a

413
00:19:33,690 --> 00:19:31,629
case of a canapé well if it is it's

414
00:19:35,850 --> 00:19:33,700
somebody who's been having the

415
00:19:38,759 --> 00:19:35,860
experience for a long time because the

416
00:19:40,529 --> 00:19:38,769
sightings are still happening and the

417
00:19:42,779 --> 00:19:40,539
sightings that were first reported you

418
00:19:44,100 --> 00:19:42,789
know like this one went back to 1936 I

419
00:19:47,909 --> 00:19:44,110
had a number of them that were in the

420
00:19:53,519 --> 00:19:47,919
early to mid 80s so we're talking about

421
00:19:56,519 --> 00:19:53,529
you know 30 40 years now I don't know

422
00:19:59,100 --> 00:19:56,529
really much about the practice of

423
00:20:00,629 --> 00:19:59,110
lycanthropy I don't know if people who

424
00:20:02,220 --> 00:20:00,639
claim to do that are supposed to have

425
00:20:07,169 --> 00:20:02,230
long lives or if they do it for many

426
00:20:08,789 --> 00:20:07,179
decades but I think that the length of

427
00:20:12,090 --> 00:20:08,799
time that it's been going on sort of

428
00:20:14,909 --> 00:20:12,100
argues against that and it also argues

429
00:20:17,340 --> 00:20:14,919
against it being say one natural animal

430
00:20:21,060 --> 00:20:17,350
I mean the lifespan average lifespan for

431
00:20:26,129 --> 00:20:21,070
a wild wolf is something like nine years

432
00:20:28,619 --> 00:20:26,139
at most and often it ends much quicker

433
00:20:31,879 --> 00:20:28,629
so you have to there that leaves us with

434
00:20:34,919 --> 00:20:31,889
two alternatives either there is a

435
00:20:37,109 --> 00:20:34,929
largely unknown unseen breeding

436
00:20:38,970 --> 00:20:37,119
population although we do have reports

437
00:20:44,609 --> 00:20:38,980
of pups now in that seeing them with

438
00:20:47,369 --> 00:20:44,619
pups population or they are replenishing

439
00:20:49,830 --> 00:20:47,379
their community with individuals from

440
00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:49,840
elsewhere whether they're elsewhere on

441
00:20:55,529 --> 00:20:52,690
this planet or out west and they take

442
00:20:57,359 --> 00:20:55,539
that normal natural wildlife corridor

443
00:21:00,119 --> 00:20:57,369
down from the Black Hills through

444
00:21:01,799 --> 00:21:00,129
Minnesota through southern Wisconsin and

445
00:21:03,549 --> 00:21:01,809
down around the Great Lakes

446
00:21:06,399 --> 00:21:03,559
and just happen to end up and

447
00:21:08,860 --> 00:21:06,409
stay there is another thing or are they

448
00:21:13,060 --> 00:21:08,870
coming from a realm where they cannot

449
00:21:14,769 --> 00:21:13,070
reproduce naturally in their own world

450
00:21:17,409 --> 00:21:14,779
or whatever this is what some people

451
00:21:20,139 --> 00:21:17,419
have suggested me and so they use

452
00:21:22,299 --> 00:21:20,149
portals that they know of to come here

453
00:21:23,889 --> 00:21:22,309
and while they are here and this is

454
00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:23,899
something else that my native friends of

455
00:21:27,999 --> 00:21:25,970
all said while they're here they're not

456
00:21:30,610 --> 00:21:28,009
some kind of kooky spooky

457
00:21:33,249 --> 00:21:30,620
you know spirits there they have to be

458
00:21:36,669 --> 00:21:33,259
fully corporeal so they can eat produce

459
00:21:38,830 --> 00:21:36,679
energy you know do all the things that a

460
00:21:41,169 --> 00:21:38,840
normal animal would do but there are

461
00:21:43,930 --> 00:21:41,179
times when their ties to the earth are

462
00:21:46,450 --> 00:21:43,940
lighter and they start going back into

463
00:21:49,749 --> 00:21:46,460
their other vibrations or other world

464
00:21:51,820 --> 00:21:49,759
yeah and maybe they come back maybe they

465
00:21:54,039 --> 00:21:51,830
don't it's something you know and all

466
00:21:56,499 --> 00:21:54,049
this is of course speculative I'm not

467
00:21:58,570 --> 00:21:56,509
saying what it is gospel stuff it's

468
00:22:00,100 --> 00:21:58,580
these are just different theories but it

469
00:22:02,100 --> 00:22:00,110
does come down to there they're either

470
00:22:05,529 --> 00:22:02,110
having a breeding population here or

471
00:22:07,210 --> 00:22:05,539
coming in here from somewhere else now

472
00:22:09,070 --> 00:22:07,220
you and I have talked about this for

473
00:22:11,859 --> 00:22:09,080
years now and you know when I first

474
00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:11,869
started discussing this with you and I

475
00:22:15,940 --> 00:22:13,610
don't know when that was but it was a

476
00:22:18,489 --> 00:22:15,950
while ago yeah you were more on the

477
00:22:21,850 --> 00:22:18,499
natural side but you've kind of changed

478
00:22:23,889 --> 00:22:21,860
a bit over the years well you know as it

479
00:22:26,799 --> 00:22:23,899
goes and the longer you're in this and

480
00:22:28,659 --> 00:22:26,809
the more things happen to you um you

481
00:22:32,289 --> 00:22:28,669
know you just kind of can't help it and

482
00:22:34,539 --> 00:22:32,299
I've had right out on that farm you know

483
00:22:37,570 --> 00:22:34,549
this wasn't talked about in the film but

484
00:22:40,450 --> 00:22:37,580
I've had an experience where we had both

485
00:22:42,940 --> 00:22:40,460
the owner and Sanjay single a colleague

486
00:22:49,509 --> 00:22:42,950
of mine who you know often goes out of

487
00:22:51,310 --> 00:22:49,519
hiking and and and researching we saw

488
00:22:54,759 --> 00:22:51,320
something we will never be able to

489
00:22:56,739 --> 00:22:54,769
explain we were watching one I we had a

490
00:22:58,600 --> 00:22:56,749
hundred eighty pound deer out there that

491
00:23:01,899 --> 00:22:58,610
nothing was touching which was weird it

492
00:23:05,350 --> 00:23:01,909
was about the same time of year about

493
00:23:06,789 --> 00:23:05,360
the same kind of weather and nothing was

494
00:23:08,710 --> 00:23:06,799
going near there should have at least

495
00:23:11,049 --> 00:23:08,720
have been Turkey buzzards you know

496
00:23:12,609 --> 00:23:11,059
taking things off of it or coyotes

497
00:23:13,810 --> 00:23:12,619
taking it I mean kayo its elite almost

498
00:23:16,020 --> 00:23:13,820
anything you know they should have been

499
00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:16,030
in taking about

500
00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:17,290
right here and there and nothing was

501
00:23:22,230 --> 00:23:19,330
touching it and I said well maybe

502
00:23:24,210 --> 00:23:22,240
there's something bigger that's scaring

503
00:23:26,580 --> 00:23:24,220
away all these little guys really bigger

504
00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:26,590
and we should try and just do a stakeout

505
00:23:33,360 --> 00:23:30,570
and they agreed so we were sitting in

506
00:23:35,490 --> 00:23:33,370
Sanjay's car near some shrubs all the

507
00:23:38,130 --> 00:23:35,500
way across the field which is like a

508
00:23:40,650 --> 00:23:38,140
forty acre field so it was quite quite a

509
00:23:43,650 --> 00:23:40,660
large expanse and there was a tree line

510
00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:43,660
where the deer bait was always put and

511
00:23:48,390 --> 00:23:46,090
we kind of aim in the car at that spot

512
00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:48,400
and then we sat there waiting and we

513
00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:50,890
were watching natural air airport

514
00:23:55,500 --> 00:23:53,170
traffic that was going over one part of

515
00:23:57,060 --> 00:23:55,510
the tree line I was anyway and I happen

516
00:23:59,430 --> 00:23:57,070
to notice one of these lights that

517
00:24:03,930 --> 00:23:59,440
looked like the landing gear light of an

518
00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:03,940
airplane suddenly stopped right where it

519
00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:06,970
was a midair and then went noticeably

520
00:24:11,130 --> 00:24:08,770
backwards it wasn't just like you know

521
00:24:13,410 --> 00:24:11,140
twinkling or oscillate it traveled

522
00:24:14,940 --> 00:24:13,420
backwards and I said I was in the

523
00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:14,950
backseat the two guys were in the front

524
00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:17,410
and they're both big guys they're both

525
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:19,570
like six foot two or so I could barely

526
00:24:23,940 --> 00:24:21,970
see between the two of them I said but

527
00:24:26,460 --> 00:24:23,950
look I said look look guys I don't think

528
00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:26,470
that one's a plane and they looked at it

529
00:24:34,020 --> 00:24:28,810
and right as I said that and they looked

530
00:24:38,070 --> 00:24:34,030
at it I it began heading for a straight

531
00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:38,080
across the field which was really a

532
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:42,490
weird thing and we were just sort of

533
00:24:50,100 --> 00:24:45,010
memorized or mesmerised at first and

534
00:24:51,870 --> 00:24:50,110
then we began to all just kind of look

535
00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:51,880
for our cameras and we were sitting we

536
00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:53,170
were saying what is that oh my gosh it's

537
00:24:56,010 --> 00:24:54,490
coming closer you know that kind of

538
00:25:00,150 --> 00:24:56,020
thing it didn't take very long either

539
00:25:03,450 --> 00:25:00,160
and it stopped about 30 feet away from

540
00:25:05,460 --> 00:25:03,460
the car maybe 30 feet in the air max it

541
00:25:07,260 --> 00:25:05,470
may have been closer than that it was

542
00:25:09,980 --> 00:25:07,270
about the size of a basketball

543
00:25:15,450 --> 00:25:09,990
we all agreed it was a perfectly

544
00:25:18,810 --> 00:25:15,460
spheroid object that was lit and it was

545
00:25:21,270 --> 00:25:18,820
the light was sort of a cool white color

546
00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:21,280
but it wasn't really lighting up the

547
00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:22,690
land around it it was it was

548
00:25:28,020 --> 00:25:25,090
self-contained self lit and it was

549
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:28,030
hovering there and I was going for my

550
00:25:30,900 --> 00:25:29,170
kid I was just position

551
00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:30,910
my camera to start you know taking a

552
00:25:37,410 --> 00:25:33,970
video and Sanjay had the idea to shine

553
00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:37,420
the McKnight Meg liked it and he just

554
00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:39,090
did that he aimed it out his window and

555
00:25:46,050 --> 00:25:42,850
shined it at it and we all had the

556
00:25:49,650 --> 00:25:46,060
extreme sense that it was surprised and

557
00:25:51,510 --> 00:25:49,660
it sort of just soared in place a little

558
00:25:55,260 --> 00:25:51,520
bit it's hard to even describe what it

559
00:25:57,540 --> 00:25:55,270
did and somehow puffed out but not her

560
00:26:00,150 --> 00:25:57,550
like making a poof it just sort of we

561
00:26:03,900 --> 00:26:00,160
all have really real difficulty trying

562
00:26:07,860 --> 00:26:03,910
to express how it went out but it did it

563
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:07,870
went out and we and then we all shared

564
00:26:15,090 --> 00:26:12,490
our favorite special word of surprise at

565
00:26:16,950 --> 00:26:15,100
the time because you know and and we who

566
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:16,960
is a retired math and physics teachers

567
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:18,970
going that's not possible

568
00:26:24,120 --> 00:26:21,490
that's not physics it can't happen in

569
00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:24,130
physics it couldn't have done that but

570
00:26:27,660 --> 00:26:26,050
yet it had and the three of us you know

571
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:27,670
pretty highly trained observers Lee

572
00:26:33,570 --> 00:26:30,010
especially by that you know all saw the

573
00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:33,580
same thing and you know in perfect light

574
00:26:39,030 --> 00:26:36,610
perfect viewing conditions and how do

575
00:26:41,790 --> 00:26:39,040
you explain that you know yeah and this

576
00:26:44,910 --> 00:26:41,800
is right near the edge that end of Bray

577
00:26:47,820 --> 00:26:44,920
Road his his Road intersects with Bray

578
00:26:51,300 --> 00:26:47,830
Road right there and it's the it's the

579
00:26:53,340 --> 00:26:51,310
territory so you know sooner or later

580
00:26:56,010 --> 00:26:53,350
enough of these things occur and you

581
00:26:58,050 --> 00:26:56,020
just have to start taking you know

582
00:27:03,510 --> 00:26:58,060
unless unless you're a hidebound skeptic

583
00:27:05,460 --> 00:27:03,520
you know which I try to be open yet you

584
00:27:07,470 --> 00:27:05,470
know keep my reporters head up but but

585
00:27:10,140 --> 00:27:07,480
once things are happening like that to

586
00:27:11,970 --> 00:27:10,150
you it's different than just having an

587
00:27:14,250 --> 00:27:11,980
intellectual appreciation of them you

588
00:27:17,100 --> 00:27:14,260
and you have the gut knowledge that yeah

589
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:17,110
it happens there's no way no possible

590
00:27:24,570 --> 00:27:20,650
way to explain that by knowing by no

591
00:27:27,060 --> 00:27:24,580
means well you know this this is

592
00:27:29,430 --> 00:27:27,070
something that's been becoming more and

593
00:27:33,210 --> 00:27:29,440
more prevalent in encrypted research

594
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:33,220
with these orbs or UFO activity

595
00:27:39,300 --> 00:27:36,610
coinciding with sightings or around

596
00:27:41,070 --> 00:27:39,310
areas where sightings have been at so

597
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:41,080
you know honestly that does is a privy

598
00:27:47,100 --> 00:27:42,730
what you just mentioned

599
00:27:49,140 --> 00:27:47,110
and it seems that Lee has also been

600
00:27:52,590 --> 00:27:49,150
filming a lot of lights on his property

601
00:27:55,830 --> 00:27:52,600
as well oh yes yeah he's got huh he's

602
00:27:57,990 --> 00:27:55,840
got thousands thousands of chariots that

603
00:28:00,060 --> 00:27:58,000
you can't even you can't even imagine me

604
00:28:02,159 --> 00:28:00,070
and he sends me he sends me them like

605
00:28:08,030 --> 00:28:02,169
maybe once a week he had one last week

606
00:28:11,490 --> 00:28:08,040
where there's no indication of why any

607
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:11,500
thing was tripped on the camera and you

608
00:28:16,020 --> 00:28:13,450
can see these light rays these very

609
00:28:18,299 --> 00:28:16,030
defined light rates are coming down from

610
00:28:21,710 --> 00:28:18,309
above then this is daytime then there's

611
00:28:24,210 --> 00:28:21,720
a middle shot where all of a sudden at

612
00:28:25,919 --> 00:28:24,220
about the halfway point these straight

613
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:25,929
chefs if these were just shafts of

614
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:27,250
sunlight they would have been straight

615
00:28:31,830 --> 00:28:29,890
they turn into squiggly lines about

616
00:28:34,289 --> 00:28:31,840
halfway down they remain straight on top

617
00:28:36,659 --> 00:28:34,299
and then half way top turn it into these

618
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:36,669
squiggly lines and then you know a

619
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:38,770
second or so later it's back to the

620
00:28:44,340 --> 00:28:41,530
straight ones yeah what kind of light

621
00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:44,350
beam straight light beam turns half of

622
00:28:51,030 --> 00:28:48,130
itself into a squiggly line yeah that's

623
00:28:53,490 --> 00:28:51,040
hard to believe right and yet there they

624
00:28:55,140 --> 00:28:53,500
are I mean yeah just edible you know I'm

625
00:28:57,390 --> 00:28:55,150
sure I could get him to post those or

626
00:29:00,210 --> 00:28:57,400
give them to you so you can post post

627
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:00,220
them if you want but if he has things

628
00:29:03,330 --> 00:29:02,410
like that and weirder you know even

629
00:29:07,100 --> 00:29:03,340
weirder than that

630
00:29:10,380 --> 00:29:07,110
so you just if it's like a huge

631
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:10,390
electromagnetic disturbance all over

632
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:12,490
that area is how I would characterize it

633
00:29:20,700 --> 00:29:16,210
you know he's he's been followed in his

634
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:20,710
pickup truck by a giant ball of what

635
00:29:25,890 --> 00:29:23,410
somebody identified as hot plasma except

636
00:29:28,260 --> 00:29:25,900
there's no source for the plasma I would

637
00:29:29,610 --> 00:29:28,270
follow him on a road and then later in

638
00:29:32,460 --> 00:29:29,620
the corner it just vanished

639
00:29:34,770 --> 00:29:32,470
that kind of thing we have in monsters

640
00:29:38,250 --> 00:29:34,780
among us I have a good layout of what

641
00:29:41,850 --> 00:29:38,260
one of the recent over the past few

642
00:29:44,130 --> 00:29:41,860
years sightings which was a farmer who

643
00:29:46,380 --> 00:29:44,140
lived maybe about a half a mile down the

644
00:29:49,350 --> 00:29:46,390
road from from Lee he was like his his

645
00:29:51,510 --> 00:29:49,360
next neighbour down and this was a

646
00:29:54,180 --> 00:29:51,520
February a couple of years ago when it

647
00:29:56,340 --> 00:29:54,190
was ten below zero and he's sitting in

648
00:29:58,980 --> 00:29:56,350
his shed and all of a sudden his

649
00:30:00,870 --> 00:29:58,990
to start going crazy making noise and he

650
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:00,880
looks out the window because farmers are

651
00:30:05,279 --> 00:30:02,890
always up at this was like 3:00 a.m. and

652
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:05,289
and farmers are very often up at that

653
00:30:08,279 --> 00:30:06,370
time of the night because their

654
00:30:10,650 --> 00:30:08,289
equipment breaks down they have to fix

655
00:30:14,180 --> 00:30:10,660
it they have no choice so he looks out

656
00:30:16,830 --> 00:30:14,190
and he sees this coyote coyote just

657
00:30:19,650 --> 00:30:16,840
going lickety-split as hard as it can

658
00:30:21,779 --> 00:30:19,660
run for the woods and he's like what up

659
00:30:25,770 --> 00:30:21,789
then once Jason that and he looks and

660
00:30:29,190 --> 00:30:25,780
sees he said was five to six foot tall

661
00:30:31,590 --> 00:30:29,200
shaggy brown furred creature a canine

662
00:30:33,659 --> 00:30:31,600
looked like a wolf leaning forward a

663
00:30:36,950 --> 00:30:33,669
little bit running on its hind legs and

664
00:30:40,110 --> 00:30:36,960
slowly but surely overtaking this coyote

665
00:30:42,149 --> 00:30:40,120
running in the snow all right the

666
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:42,159
interesting thing is that this happened

667
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:46,450
at 3 o'clock and about one minute prior

668
00:30:53,460 --> 00:30:50,530
to that a sequence of shots of coyotes

669
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:53,470
eating a the boat was just annoying the

670
00:30:59,070 --> 00:30:55,650
bones of a deer carcass over at leaves

671
00:31:01,200 --> 00:30:59,080
ended and in the last few shots there

672
00:31:02,700 --> 00:31:01,210
were light rays coming that looked very

673
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:02,710
much like these ones he just sent me the

674
00:31:06,990 --> 00:31:04,690
other day coming from out of nowhere in

675
00:31:09,330 --> 00:31:07,000
the woods shining right down beaming on

676
00:31:11,010 --> 00:31:09,340
to the coyote and the last one that

677
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:11,020
there was the Coyotes looking up at it

678
00:31:14,850 --> 00:31:13,450
as if you know it's seeing the light too

679
00:31:17,669 --> 00:31:14,860
it's not something that the camera is

680
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:17,679
doing and then it leaves after six

681
00:31:22,740 --> 00:31:19,090
straight hours of knowing those bones

682
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:22,750
and then a minute after that it is seen

683
00:31:29,370 --> 00:31:25,690
by the neighbor being chased by

684
00:31:31,580 --> 00:31:29,380
something well you know you had

685
00:31:34,289 --> 00:31:31,590
mentioned earlier that it seemed like

686
00:31:36,180 --> 00:31:34,299
roadkill and which other animals will

687
00:31:40,909 --> 00:31:36,190
stay away from you know that's something

688
00:31:45,029 --> 00:31:40,919
else that has been reported to me where

689
00:31:48,330 --> 00:31:45,039
someone would mention that they'd see

690
00:31:52,289 --> 00:31:48,340
one of these upright canines either a

691
00:31:55,169 --> 00:31:52,299
feeding or roadkill or they'd be around

692
00:31:58,770 --> 00:31:55,179
the area of a dead animal and nothing

693
00:31:59,580 --> 00:31:58,780
else would go near it mm-hmm yeah I've

694
00:32:03,090 --> 00:31:59,590
heard that before

695
00:32:06,390 --> 00:32:03,100
yeah yeah I mean that's so strange

696
00:32:09,149 --> 00:32:06,400
yeah it is it is because normally the

697
00:32:09,690 --> 00:32:09,159
way that nature works is something is

698
00:32:12,419 --> 00:32:09,700
dead or

699
00:32:16,379 --> 00:32:12,429
killed or you know down in the woods and

700
00:32:18,539 --> 00:32:16,389
and there's a whole group of predators

701
00:32:20,909 --> 00:32:18,549
that come the biggest guys usually get

702
00:32:21,509 --> 00:32:20,919
their favorite part first usually around

703
00:32:23,430 --> 00:32:21,519
there

704
00:32:26,100 --> 00:32:23,440
the Coyotes will go in and they'll kind

705
00:32:28,620 --> 00:32:26,110
of core out from the back and then you

706
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:28,630
know the the skunks that the the kind of

707
00:32:33,690 --> 00:32:30,850
nasty slashing smaller things because

708
00:32:35,430 --> 00:32:33,700
skunks skunks and raccoons and badgers

709
00:32:38,370 --> 00:32:35,440
and creatures like that and all the

710
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:38,380
movement scene can be kind of nasty if

711
00:32:41,190 --> 00:32:39,490
they're fighting over something they'll

712
00:32:42,870 --> 00:32:41,200
come in the Turkey buzzards will fly in

713
00:32:45,389 --> 00:32:42,880
and they'll be you know taking long

714
00:32:47,070 --> 00:32:45,399
stringy bits out and and then the

715
00:32:48,509 --> 00:32:47,080
smaller ones still it finally it gets

716
00:32:49,049 --> 00:32:48,519
down to the you know the Flies and the

717
00:32:51,750 --> 00:32:49,059
maggots

718
00:32:53,970 --> 00:32:51,760
so generally there's this whole little

719
00:32:56,610 --> 00:32:53,980
ecosystem built around this dead animal

720
00:32:58,830 --> 00:32:56,620
and in this case it was like it was made

721
00:33:02,820 --> 00:32:58,840
out of you know vinyl propylene or

722
00:33:05,399 --> 00:33:02,830
something yeah well you know I heard a

723
00:33:08,909 --> 00:33:05,409
story when we started getting these

724
00:33:12,690 --> 00:33:08,919
sightings in Pennsylvania that kind of

725
00:33:19,139 --> 00:33:12,700
reinforces that a bit there was a there

726
00:33:21,539 --> 00:33:19,149
was a DNR ranger who had pulled into a

727
00:33:24,149 --> 00:33:21,549
gas station one that was the witness I

728
00:33:27,659 --> 00:33:24,159
talked to and he said there was a small

729
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:27,669
elk in the back of the back of the truck

730
00:33:37,500 --> 00:33:34,090
and he he asked the the dnr ranger about

731
00:33:39,060 --> 00:33:37,510
this elk and he said he was wondering

732
00:33:41,279 --> 00:33:39,070
how long it was dead he said you know

733
00:33:44,519 --> 00:33:41,289
the range of time you know this elk look

734
00:33:47,580 --> 00:33:44,529
it's been dead for several days but

735
00:33:51,690 --> 00:33:47,590
nothing fed on it and he said this elk

736
00:33:54,299 --> 00:33:51,700
had a collar placed on it about a year

737
00:33:57,539 --> 00:33:54,309
ago and we had been tracking it and

738
00:33:58,500 --> 00:33:57,549
something slipped the collar off of this

739
00:34:03,360 --> 00:33:58,510
thing because they found the collar

740
00:34:09,149 --> 00:34:03,370
nearby but no other animal had fed on

741
00:34:12,690 --> 00:34:09,159
this belt well so you know that is

742
00:34:14,909 --> 00:34:12,700
that's very strange I heard this I've

743
00:34:18,599 --> 00:34:14,919
also heard the same thing about dead

744
00:34:23,659 --> 00:34:18,609
black bear that would be basically in

745
00:34:26,189 --> 00:34:23,669
Visser ated and but not fed upon

746
00:34:29,069 --> 00:34:26,199
mmm-hmm that would be sitting around I

747
00:34:31,229 --> 00:34:29,079
mean it would sit for days yeah yeah

748
00:34:34,439 --> 00:34:31,239
there's something to it yeah we've seen

749
00:34:35,819 --> 00:34:34,449
that happen any number of times you know

750
00:34:41,249 --> 00:34:35,829
and when when you said slip the collar

751
00:34:43,649 --> 00:34:41,259
that reminded me of one of the deer that

752
00:34:45,059 --> 00:34:43,659
he had gotten he had because they they

753
00:34:46,859 --> 00:34:45,069
were always being carried away to

754
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:46,869
different parts you know and obviously

755
00:34:49,979 --> 00:34:48,729
picked up her over the shoulder of these

756
00:34:51,959 --> 00:34:49,989
things because we don't like skin too

757
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:51,969
high you see the hind footprints right

758
00:34:57,539 --> 00:34:54,729
and he had this idea of getting a couple

759
00:35:00,089 --> 00:34:57,549
of cheap iPhones off of ebay and then

760
00:35:02,969 --> 00:35:00,099
setting one up to you know geo locate

761
00:35:05,309 --> 00:35:02,979
the other one so that if something came

762
00:35:07,410 --> 00:35:05,319
and picked up you know part of the deer

763
00:35:10,499 --> 00:35:07,420
and and that iPhone was in there then we

764
00:35:11,969 --> 00:35:10,509
could track it wasn't really a million

765
00:35:14,759 --> 00:35:11,979
yeah I mean you just have these great

766
00:35:17,699 --> 00:35:14,769
ideas so I went over to his farm yeah

767
00:35:19,439 --> 00:35:17,709
and you know Justin my my worst stuff

768
00:35:22,349 --> 00:35:19,449
because what we were doing was trying to

769
00:35:24,959 --> 00:35:22,359
figure out where on this deer carcass we

770
00:35:26,699 --> 00:35:24,969
could insert the iPhone you know where

771
00:35:28,890 --> 00:35:26,709
we could get in get it in there and it

772
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:28,900
would remain hidden and we thought we

773
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:30,249
were going to put it in through its

774
00:35:35,669 --> 00:35:32,650
mouth in hand but just kind of shoved up

775
00:35:37,049 --> 00:35:35,679
you know back in its mouth but it

776
00:35:38,609 --> 00:35:37,059
wouldn't go over the teeth there was no

777
00:35:41,249 --> 00:35:38,619
way we could get it over the teeth it's

778
00:35:43,169 --> 00:35:41,259
surprising and we tried all kinds of

779
00:35:46,169 --> 00:35:43,179
other ideas I wouldn't even want to go

780
00:35:50,839 --> 00:35:46,179
into and he finally gave up and what he

781
00:35:55,109 --> 00:35:50,849
did was he has some super super strong

782
00:35:57,779 --> 00:35:55,119
some kind of vinyl vinyl material that

783
00:35:59,819 --> 00:35:57,789
is is used for a lot of technical things

784
00:36:03,539 --> 00:35:59,829
that's very very difficult to break or

785
00:36:06,630 --> 00:36:03,549
cut and so he he attached that to the

786
00:36:09,269 --> 00:36:06,640
iPhone and then attach that to the deer

787
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:09,279
well the next day or so he went out

788
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:14,410
there and the collar which was supposed

789
00:36:19,499 --> 00:36:17,170
to be super unbreakable was it looked

790
00:36:21,150 --> 00:36:19,509
like it had been cut but there were no

791
00:36:24,089 --> 00:36:21,160
implements or anything like that around

792
00:36:27,660 --> 00:36:24,099
the deer hadn't been touched and the

793
00:36:31,009 --> 00:36:27,670
iPhone was still there so whoever did it

794
00:36:34,829 --> 00:36:31,019
wasn't trying to get the iPhone yeah and

795
00:36:36,660 --> 00:36:34,839
it's just inexplicable how that would

796
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:36,670
happen and if an animal was there

797
00:36:39,450 --> 00:36:37,570
wanting to feed on

798
00:36:41,430 --> 00:36:39,460
why would they bother just to you know

799
00:36:43,140 --> 00:36:41,440
go to all the trouble of chewing off the

800
00:36:46,650 --> 00:36:43,150
and it didn't look chewed it looked like

801
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:46,660
it was surgically cut hmmm yeah that

802
00:36:51,240 --> 00:36:49,210
that's very similar what this person

803
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:51,250
described me and what other people have

804
00:36:59,100 --> 00:36:55,210
been describing to me you know hear

805
00:37:02,610 --> 00:36:59,110
these stories about mutilations and so

806
00:37:04,860 --> 00:37:02,620
forth where this surgically slight an

807
00:37:07,380 --> 00:37:04,870
was a surgically sliced but nothing

808
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:07,390
feeds upon them well you know maybe

809
00:37:12,780 --> 00:37:09,130
there's something else going on there

810
00:37:15,300 --> 00:37:12,790
but it's absolutely bizarre it really is

811
00:37:17,940 --> 00:37:15,310
oh yeah yeah I had another but make sure

812
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:17,950
that took him and put in my book there

813
00:37:23,970 --> 00:37:20,650
was one of them had finally been like

814
00:37:25,230 --> 00:37:23,980
just gone to town on buying the coyotes

815
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:25,240
and stuff and we've been kind of pulled

816
00:37:31,170 --> 00:37:29,530
apart and the head and the spine were

817
00:37:32,820 --> 00:37:31,180
still attached but they were out in the

818
00:37:35,820 --> 00:37:32,830
middle of the field something had taken

819
00:37:37,050 --> 00:37:35,830
them all the way out there and Cougars

820
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:37,060
if they're gonna drag something away

821
00:37:41,010 --> 00:37:38,890
they'll drag it to where they can cover

822
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:41,020
it with brush or take it up in a tree

823
00:37:44,550 --> 00:37:43,330
but whatever would this was thought they

824
00:37:46,470 --> 00:37:44,560
would just leave it out in the center of

825
00:37:48,270 --> 00:37:46,480
this field almost it seemed that almost

826
00:37:51,300 --> 00:37:48,280
like a sign like it was wanting to be

827
00:37:54,240 --> 00:37:51,310
noticed and the head was at it had been

828
00:37:57,420 --> 00:37:54,250
attached to the spine but it was

829
00:37:59,730 --> 00:37:57,430
separated by a perfect it was twisted

830
00:38:02,280 --> 00:37:59,740
and it would have to take some really

831
00:38:06,300 --> 00:38:02,290
strong twist and then cut with something

832
00:38:08,670 --> 00:38:06,310
and Lee took that to a butcher and said

833
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:08,680
what would have to happen for this to

834
00:38:13,590 --> 00:38:12,010
have been separated for the neck bone to

835
00:38:15,570 --> 00:38:13,600
have been separated from the spine bone

836
00:38:17,790 --> 00:38:15,580
in the way that you see here and the

837
00:38:19,770 --> 00:38:17,800
butcher looked at it and said well it

838
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:19,780
would have needed to have had a big

839
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:23,370
chopping block and a big butcher knife

840
00:38:26,940 --> 00:38:24,490
hmm

841
00:38:30,650 --> 00:38:26,950
which means and I trust me there's no

842
00:38:36,750 --> 00:38:33,090
trouble we're much bigger trouble than

843
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:36,760
anybody knows so you know you just these

844
00:38:42,180 --> 00:38:38,890
unexplainable things happen and you just

845
00:38:44,130 --> 00:38:42,190
lost your words you know you were

846
00:38:46,950 --> 00:38:44,140
talking about we were talking about the

847
00:38:49,260 --> 00:38:46,960
interdimensional possibilities and you

848
00:38:51,420 --> 00:38:49,270
know these are and in fact you know when

849
00:38:54,180 --> 00:38:51,430
you look at the film

850
00:38:57,599 --> 00:38:54,190
we're where Lee has these these videos

851
00:39:01,019 --> 00:38:57,609
of this mist forming above these road

852
00:39:04,260 --> 00:39:01,029
coming the deer carcasses right it's so

853
00:39:06,210 --> 00:39:04,270
bizarre you know I have always thought

854
00:39:11,549 --> 00:39:06,220
for years I have thought for years that

855
00:39:14,220 --> 00:39:11,559
the inter-dimensional theory has some

856
00:39:16,940 --> 00:39:14,230
validity to it it's on it's hard to

857
00:39:20,250 --> 00:39:16,950
explain it's almost a possible explain

858
00:39:22,289 --> 00:39:20,260
but you know I I really started looking

859
00:39:24,990 --> 00:39:22,299
at it much differently when we started

860
00:39:27,359 --> 00:39:25,000
having these sightings in Chicago of

861
00:39:28,380 --> 00:39:27,369
this these winged humanoids but people

862
00:39:32,789 --> 00:39:28,390
were describing

863
00:39:35,130 --> 00:39:32,799
I mean sometimes we had one case in

864
00:39:36,779 --> 00:39:35,140
particular where this was seen that just

865
00:39:40,079 --> 00:39:36,789
literally disappeared like it went

866
00:39:43,109 --> 00:39:40,089
through a doorway or these things will

867
00:39:45,750 --> 00:39:43,119
just show up for a matter of seconds and

868
00:39:48,890 --> 00:39:45,760
did suddenly disappear I mean there's

869
00:39:51,510 --> 00:39:48,900
got to be something to this I mean we

870
00:39:54,359 --> 00:39:51,520
we're just on the cusp of this quite

871
00:39:57,839 --> 00:39:54,369
frankly and you know I think it goes it

872
00:40:01,289 --> 00:39:57,849
goes for a lot of different cryptid

873
00:40:03,510 --> 00:40:01,299
activity and not only uprights or these

874
00:40:04,740 --> 00:40:03,520
winged humanoids but also for Bigfoot

875
00:40:07,049 --> 00:40:04,750
you know we've been hearing for years

876
00:40:10,380 --> 00:40:07,059
about people tracking Bigfoot and you

877
00:40:13,589 --> 00:40:10,390
think just suddenly disappear right it's

878
00:40:15,870 --> 00:40:13,599
it's very bizarre but there's got to be

879
00:40:17,970 --> 00:40:15,880
something to it well you probably are

880
00:40:19,380 --> 00:40:17,980
familiar with the incident that I call

881
00:40:21,420 --> 00:40:19,390
the man bat in La Crosse

882
00:40:23,220 --> 00:40:21,430
right Wisconsin which is over on the

883
00:40:25,500 --> 00:40:23,230
Mississippi River on the western side of

884
00:40:27,329 --> 00:40:25,510
Wisconsin which is for those who don't

885
00:40:29,579 --> 00:40:27,339
know the state very well it's a very

886
00:40:31,500 --> 00:40:29,589
different drink than we have anywhere

887
00:40:35,010 --> 00:40:31,510
else in Wisconsin because being by the

888
00:40:37,940 --> 00:40:35,020
Mississippi in the unglaciated area it's

889
00:40:40,859 --> 00:40:37,950
there are cliffs and caves and rocks and

890
00:40:44,370 --> 00:40:40,869
looks more like parts of Wyoming or

891
00:40:48,870 --> 00:40:44,380
something and this incident was back in

892
00:40:51,390 --> 00:40:48,880
2006 and they called me right away and I

893
00:40:52,980 --> 00:40:51,400
was out there I drove out and spent a

894
00:40:57,059 --> 00:40:52,990
few days there out in the field with

895
00:40:59,490 --> 00:40:57,069
them and what happened was a man in his

896
00:41:01,440 --> 00:40:59,500
50s and his 25 year old son we're

897
00:41:03,900 --> 00:41:01,450
driving along a country road from La

898
00:41:04,650 --> 00:41:03,910
Crosse to a smaller community called

899
00:41:08,839 --> 00:41:04,660
Holmen

900
00:41:11,069 --> 00:41:08,849
about satellite tone and they were

901
00:41:14,130 --> 00:41:11,079
looking just looking at the road you

902
00:41:15,870 --> 00:41:14,140
know driving along and this thing they

903
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:15,880
noticed was heading straight for their

904
00:41:19,289 --> 00:41:17,410
truck they were driving a pickup truck

905
00:41:20,910 --> 00:41:19,299
and it was coming right for their

906
00:41:22,620 --> 00:41:20,920
windshield and they kind of braced and

907
00:41:24,299 --> 00:41:22,630
the Sun slowed down because he was sure

908
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:24,309
there was going to just smash right into

909
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:27,490
them and just before it did so it just

910
00:41:33,029 --> 00:41:30,450
suddenly shot straight up in the air

911
00:41:35,279 --> 00:41:33,039
making this piercing scream that made

912
00:41:37,740 --> 00:41:35,289
both of them sick and they described it

913
00:41:41,819 --> 00:41:37,750
he drew a sketch for me and it looks

914
00:41:44,670 --> 00:41:41,829
like sort of a wolfish Blackford or

915
00:41:47,279 --> 00:41:44,680
Dartford creature with giant bat wings

916
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:47,289
kind of like a gigantic fruit bat is

917
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:51,690
what it reminds me of very much and the

918
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:54,010
vibration or whatever it was from that

919
00:41:58,289 --> 00:41:56,170
screech it made made both of them

920
00:42:01,829 --> 00:41:58,299
instantly you know the son had to pull

921
00:42:04,620 --> 00:42:01,839
over and throw up and father was like in

922
00:42:07,170 --> 00:42:04,630
bed for two weeks from the incident from

923
00:42:09,809 --> 00:42:07,180
whatever happened to it but we went to

924
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:09,819
other player me some nearby places that

925
00:42:15,620 --> 00:42:13,450
we drove around in and we had extremely

926
00:42:18,839 --> 00:42:15,630
odd things happening we were on this

927
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:18,849
almost completely desolate country road

928
00:42:23,039 --> 00:42:20,650
where there were no houses no no

929
00:42:25,589 --> 00:42:23,049
anything and a horse came galloping

930
00:42:27,539 --> 00:42:25,599
across the dark field this is nighttime

931
00:42:30,329 --> 00:42:27,549
pitch-black a horse came galloping

932
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:30,339
across the dark field it just jumped

933
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:32,650
right in front of the car that we were

934
00:42:39,569 --> 00:42:37,690
in and stood there it had a braided tail

935
00:42:42,870 --> 00:42:39,579
it didn't have any saddle or anything

936
00:42:45,240 --> 00:42:42,880
like that uh it stood there until his

937
00:42:46,829 --> 00:42:45,250
and the man who saw this was a Native

938
00:42:49,170 --> 00:42:46,839
American and his the girlfriend was

939
00:42:51,720 --> 00:42:49,180
along and she's a hunter and she got out

940
00:42:53,010 --> 00:42:51,730
of the car and went over near the horse

941
00:42:55,319 --> 00:42:53,020
and then she got back in the car

942
00:42:56,940 --> 00:42:55,329
immediately white as a sheet and said we

943
00:42:59,690 --> 00:42:56,950
have to leave we have to go right now

944
00:43:02,220 --> 00:42:59,700
and won't say why and when she did that

945
00:43:04,740 --> 00:43:02,230
the horse began trotting it trotted

946
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:04,750
ahead of us all the way till we came to

947
00:43:09,500 --> 00:43:07,450
a safe turn out of that area and then it

948
00:43:12,690 --> 00:43:09,510
galloped off another field

949
00:43:14,660 --> 00:43:12,700
hmm so there were other there were weird

950
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:14,670
things you know going on we drove past

951
00:43:21,230 --> 00:43:17,490
the site of the

952
00:43:23,140 --> 00:43:21,240
the happening was where you would be

953
00:43:26,510 --> 00:43:23,150
cresting a hill in your car and

954
00:43:29,270 --> 00:43:26,520
everybody my other boyfriend Terry who

955
00:43:32,210 --> 00:43:29,280
was driving and the man and his

956
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:32,220
girlfriend all saw something ruffle

957
00:43:35,810 --> 00:43:33,690
across the road they said it was like

958
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:35,820
somebody unfurled a big bolt of silk

959
00:43:41,110 --> 00:43:38,970
black silk fabric was the best way they

960
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:41,120
described it and then there were other

961
00:43:47,090 --> 00:43:44,490
reports out there too on a part of the

962
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:47,100
city of La Crosse called French island

963
00:43:54,050 --> 00:43:51,410
which is near a nuclear power plant

964
00:43:56,030 --> 00:43:54,060
where there were also sightings and one

965
00:43:59,330 --> 00:43:56,040
of them was it talked about it sort of

966
00:44:00,920 --> 00:43:59,340
unfurling itself in the same way you

967
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:00,930
know it's as if you had a bolt of cloth

968
00:44:04,340 --> 00:44:02,610
and you threw it out you know into the

969
00:44:05,510 --> 00:44:04,350
air and you could just picture it making

970
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:05,520
those ripples I don't know if you've

971
00:44:14,090 --> 00:44:07,890
seen any of those in the Chicago ones

972
00:44:16,550 --> 00:44:14,100
but we have we have we had we've had

973
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:16,560
people tell us about the scene this

974
00:44:22,820 --> 00:44:19,050
being with its wings wrapped around it

975
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:22,830
like a cape yeah and yeah and you know

976
00:44:27,230 --> 00:44:24,930
that you know we had most of the

977
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:27,240
sightings were in the Chicago area back

978
00:44:34,570 --> 00:44:31,650
in 2017 but you know lately most the

979
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:34,580
sightings in 2018 had been in Wisconsin

980
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:39,890
and I mean anywhere from Elkhorn East

981
00:44:44,030 --> 00:44:43,530
over into Cross catamaran over into

982
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:44,040
Kenosha

983
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:47,010
up into Milwaukee we had one in

984
00:44:52,430 --> 00:44:49,650
Milwaukee a very distinctive sighting

985
00:44:55,220 --> 00:44:52,440
Milwaukee yeah I don't know exactly how

986
00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:55,230
many we've had but I I think it's safe

987
00:45:01,630 --> 00:44:56,850
to say there have been six or seven

988
00:45:04,220 --> 00:45:01,640
reports this year in in in southeast of

989
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:04,230
Wisconsin well you know all the theories

990
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:06,930
that you've just met our places that are

991
00:45:14,090 --> 00:45:10,890
very rich in ancient animal ever chief

992
00:45:15,380 --> 00:45:14,100
animal shaped effigy mounds which are

993
00:45:17,450 --> 00:45:15,390
very unusual and that many people

994
00:45:20,780 --> 00:45:17,460
realize that Wisconsin southern

995
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:20,790
Wisconsin has something like 96% of the

996
00:45:25,610 --> 00:45:24,450
world's ancient animal shaped effigy

997
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:25,620
moans that means they weren't always

998
00:45:30,420 --> 00:45:28,290
used for burial some some were just you

999
00:45:33,329 --> 00:45:30,430
know sort of pictorial some of them are

1000
00:45:36,150 --> 00:45:33,339
really huge they go up to 160 feet wide

1001
00:45:38,099 --> 00:45:36,160
or more and they're all around Madison

1002
00:45:40,410 --> 00:45:38,109
and the lakes there around Milwaukee and

1003
00:45:43,950 --> 00:45:40,420
especially the river and the lakes the

1004
00:45:45,390 --> 00:45:43,960
Kettle Moraine is full of them all all

1005
00:45:48,240 --> 00:45:45,400
these places that you mentioned because

1006
00:45:50,220 --> 00:45:48,250
it's such a lake rich area I really

1007
00:45:52,650 --> 00:45:50,230
believe that whole area was sacred

1008
00:45:54,420 --> 00:45:52,660
because of the lakes that are there and

1009
00:45:58,109 --> 00:45:54,430
the number the great number of fresh

1010
00:46:00,750 --> 00:45:58,119
Springs that there were to would have

1011
00:46:05,309 --> 00:46:00,760
all made this entire area sacred and

1012
00:46:06,599 --> 00:46:05,319
some people suggest that medicine man at

1013
00:46:09,870 --> 00:46:06,609
the time were able to ascend up

1014
00:46:11,250 --> 00:46:09,880
guardians or to establish secure portals

1015
00:46:13,319 --> 00:46:11,260
that would stay you know different

1016
00:46:16,650 --> 00:46:13,329
things you know I know have no way of

1017
00:46:18,839 --> 00:46:16,660
knowing if that's true or you can't even

1018
00:46:22,349 --> 00:46:18,849
really investigate something like that

1019
00:46:24,589 --> 00:46:22,359
nowadays after all this time but it's

1020
00:46:27,329 --> 00:46:24,599
it's just another way of looking at it

1021
00:46:30,260 --> 00:46:27,339
you know one of my team members asked me

1022
00:46:32,510 --> 00:46:30,270
to ask you if you know of any reports

1023
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:32,520
coming out of the richard bong

1024
00:46:40,710 --> 00:46:36,970
recreation areas of late well not super

1025
00:46:44,789 --> 00:46:40,720
not super of late odd but it is a rich

1026
00:46:47,930 --> 00:46:44,799
very rich source of sightings and I have

1027
00:46:52,410 --> 00:46:47,940
a friend who was a now retired he

1028
00:46:56,730 --> 00:46:52,420
retired early a retired County sheriff's

1029
00:47:00,809 --> 00:46:56,740
deputy over in that area and he saw an

1030
00:47:03,180 --> 00:47:00,819
upright wolf man running across that

1031
00:47:05,069 --> 00:47:03,190
area while he was parked quietly at

1032
00:47:06,930 --> 00:47:05,079
night one night filming on his report so

1033
00:47:08,849 --> 00:47:06,940
it was a place he liked to go I think he

1034
00:47:10,769 --> 00:47:08,859
saw I think he saw two of them there on

1035
00:47:12,559 --> 00:47:10,779
different occasions and I've also had

1036
00:47:16,279 --> 00:47:12,569
somebody report seeing a black panther

1037
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:16,289
running across the road in that area and

1038
00:47:22,380 --> 00:47:19,450
there are underground tunnels that are

1039
00:47:25,170 --> 00:47:22,390
closed up now but they were just left

1040
00:47:28,740 --> 00:47:25,180
open for years I know kid kids from the

1041
00:47:30,510 --> 00:47:28,750
area in the 70s and 80s used to go and

1042
00:47:32,609 --> 00:47:30,520
party down there I guess it was full I

1043
00:47:34,859 --> 00:47:32,619
know people who did that I did not but

1044
00:47:37,049 --> 00:47:34,869
that I know people who did and now

1045
00:47:39,690 --> 00:47:37,059
they're closed up but it's interesting

1046
00:47:41,530 --> 00:47:39,700
because that was supposed to be a

1047
00:47:47,780 --> 00:47:41,540
special

1048
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:47,790
military air observation place and

1049
00:47:55,550 --> 00:47:52,170
station and they shut it down like the

1050
00:47:57,950 --> 00:47:55,560
day just just about the exact same time

1051
00:47:59,390 --> 00:47:57,960
that the the runways were being I think

1052
00:48:01,520 --> 00:47:59,400
was maybe the day before the runways

1053
00:48:03,470 --> 00:48:01,530
report you know all the all the other

1054
00:48:04,910 --> 00:48:03,480
things the tunnels and the buildings

1055
00:48:07,010 --> 00:48:04,920
that everything was all in place dude

1056
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:07,020
let it go and then suddenly they just

1057
00:48:11,210 --> 00:48:09,330
said don't forget it and the local rumor

1058
00:48:14,630 --> 00:48:11,220
is that's because of what was in the

1059
00:48:17,140 --> 00:48:14,640
tunnels you know this person I asked

1060
00:48:20,900 --> 00:48:17,150
that question told me that same story

1061
00:48:26,180 --> 00:48:20,910
well he's an aviation he's into aviation

1062
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:26,190
and he told me that same story so yeah

1063
00:48:32,980 --> 00:48:30,050
you're right that is pretty bizarre

1064
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:32,990
maybe they did find something oh my god

1065
00:48:40,940 --> 00:48:36,450
yeah and there are so many tunnels

1066
00:48:42,830 --> 00:48:40,950
everywhere tunnels old mine shafts old

1067
00:48:44,510 --> 00:48:42,840
steam tunnels from went out the

1068
00:48:46,460 --> 00:48:44,520
buildings had to be heated by steam and

1069
00:48:49,490 --> 00:48:46,470
we're connected by these tunnels up

1070
00:48:51,589 --> 00:48:49,500
every downtown just about in Wisconsin

1071
00:48:53,359 --> 00:48:51,599
and many other states I'm sure has

1072
00:48:56,300 --> 00:48:53,369
downtown tunnels connecting everything

1073
00:48:58,609 --> 00:48:56,310
because in the days before they had the

1074
00:49:00,410 --> 00:48:58,619
efficient snow plan we have no you'd get

1075
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:00,420
you know three four foot double snow and

1076
00:49:04,430 --> 00:49:02,490
nobody could get anywhere so you could

1077
00:49:08,030 --> 00:49:04,440
get all over downtown Oshkosh for

1078
00:49:10,070 --> 00:49:08,040
example yeah just by without coming up

1079
00:49:12,290 --> 00:49:10,080
for air just you know from the lower

1080
00:49:15,829 --> 00:49:12,300
level tunnels so there is this

1081
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:15,839
subterranean sort of Refuge that we

1082
00:49:20,450 --> 00:49:18,210
don't see but other things could easily

1083
00:49:22,910 --> 00:49:20,460
utilize if they wanted I mentioned

1084
00:49:25,930 --> 00:49:22,920
somewhere I've had rumors of werewolves

1085
00:49:28,430 --> 00:49:25,940
in the sewers of Minot North Dakota and

1086
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:28,440
again and again it was a policeman

1087
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:30,450
writing me about them I've never been

1088
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:32,010
able to prove that I've never had

1089
00:49:36,740 --> 00:49:34,770
anybody see they saw one but you know

1090
00:49:39,079 --> 00:49:36,750
that's some it's another thing that's

1091
00:49:42,859 --> 00:49:39,089
out there and that's an area where is a

1092
00:49:45,770 --> 00:49:42,869
large Air Force Base as well oh yes yeah

1093
00:49:48,170 --> 00:49:45,780
and you you very often find sightings I

1094
00:49:49,820 --> 00:49:48,180
noticed this early on with the upright

1095
00:49:53,700 --> 00:49:49,830
will fly creatures and it gets stronger

1096
00:49:57,920 --> 00:49:53,710
and stronger and even stronger in Europe

1097
00:50:01,620 --> 00:49:57,930
your World War two naval and air and

1098
00:50:03,870 --> 00:50:01,630
land bases up very very often have this

1099
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:03,880
sort of activity connected with them but

1100
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:05,770
all over other places to where you've

1101
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:08,170
got military installations there are

1102
00:50:17,580 --> 00:50:12,370
very very often more reports of these

1103
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:17,590
anomalous creatures of all kinds you

1104
00:50:21,870 --> 00:50:19,330
know you know when you wrote the book

1105
00:50:23,550 --> 00:50:21,880
the the beast of Bray Road and it was

1106
00:50:26,010 --> 00:50:23,560
released in 2003

1107
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:26,020
you know the sightings and reports kind

1108
00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:27,850
of picked up do you have any idea why

1109
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:28,770
that happened

1110
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:33,130
well yeah I believe it's because people

1111
00:50:36,390 --> 00:50:34,930
really hadn't heard of it and if they

1112
00:50:40,350 --> 00:50:36,400
had heard of it they didn't know that

1113
00:50:43,140 --> 00:50:40,360
anybody anywhere cared or was keeping a

1114
00:50:45,540 --> 00:50:43,150
collection you know and it had been like

1115
00:50:47,100 --> 00:50:45,550
11 years when that book was published it

1116
00:50:48,660 --> 00:50:47,110
had been 11 years since that initial

1117
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:48,670
report and I was just working for the

1118
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:50,890
newspaper writing about other things all

1119
00:50:56,250 --> 00:50:54,370
that time I I really had no clue that I

1120
00:50:57,720 --> 00:50:56,260
would somebody someday be you know

1121
00:50:59,850 --> 00:50:57,730
writing book after book but when that

1122
00:51:01,920 --> 00:50:59,860
book came out it just caused an

1123
00:51:04,350 --> 00:51:01,930
explosion an immediate explosion of

1124
00:51:07,350 --> 00:51:04,360
people writing me and remember again

1125
00:51:09,060 --> 00:51:07,360
this was the early 90s that when it

1126
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:09,070
first started and this continued on

1127
00:51:14,510 --> 00:51:11,770
through that decade finding by snail

1128
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:14,520
mail the newspaper address you know

1129
00:51:21,300 --> 00:51:18,490
resorting to actual telephones on the

1130
00:51:25,410 --> 00:51:21,310
wall with curly cords to find me and

1131
00:51:27,420 --> 00:51:25,420
reporting things and so when when that

1132
00:51:30,030 --> 00:51:27,430
happened I had this huge collection of

1133
00:51:32,220 --> 00:51:30,040
more sightings within no time and that's

1134
00:51:33,750 --> 00:51:32,230
why hunting the American werewolf came

1135
00:51:36,510 --> 00:51:33,760
about I thought well I've got to share

1136
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:36,520
these and because I really always

1137
00:51:41,490 --> 00:51:38,650
considered that kind of my prime role

1138
00:51:44,130 --> 00:51:41,500
was I call it keeper of the lure is kind

1139
00:51:47,850 --> 00:51:44,140
of my tongue-in-cheek favorite title for

1140
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:47,860
myself and so I I did that and then the

1141
00:51:53,610 --> 00:51:50,010
same thing happened again and and thus

1142
00:51:56,310 --> 00:51:53,620
the Michigan Dogman and other unknown

1143
00:51:59,010 --> 00:51:56,320
upright canines across the US and and so

1144
00:52:02,670 --> 00:51:59,020
forth and it's just kept going until now

1145
00:52:04,860 --> 00:52:02,680
and I think that there are a lot more

1146
00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:04,870
people also aware people who might have

1147
00:52:09,300 --> 00:52:07,330
just brushed it off as being a bear or

1148
00:52:11,370 --> 00:52:09,310
dear when they knew it wasn't now

1149
00:52:14,370 --> 00:52:11,380
understand that there is something else

1150
00:52:16,590 --> 00:52:14,380
that it validates people people write me

1151
00:52:18,660 --> 00:52:16,600
and they just say oh you know thank you

1152
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:18,670
for validating what I saw I thought I

1153
00:52:22,950 --> 00:52:21,490
was going nuts or I knew it wasn't a

1154
00:52:24,270 --> 00:52:22,960
bear but I didn't know what else to call

1155
00:52:26,430 --> 00:52:24,280
it you know that kind of thing

1156
00:52:29,310 --> 00:52:26,440
so it raises the awareness that raises

1157
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:29,320
people's ability to really understand

1158
00:52:33,180 --> 00:52:30,970
and describe what they're seeing and

1159
00:52:35,730 --> 00:52:33,190
also they're a lot they're more people

1160
00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:35,740
taking the reports you know for a long

1161
00:52:39,720 --> 00:52:38,050
time I felt like the lone ranger nobody

1162
00:52:41,730 --> 00:52:39,730
else in the world seemed interested in

1163
00:52:45,030 --> 00:52:41,740
taking reports of things that look like

1164
00:52:47,340 --> 00:52:45,040
werewolves and and I don't think that

1165
00:52:49,530 --> 00:52:47,350
their actual medieval style werewolves I

1166
00:52:51,750 --> 00:52:49,540
didn't then and I don't know but it's

1167
00:52:54,090 --> 00:52:51,760
just something about that word nobody

1168
00:52:56,100 --> 00:52:54,100
wanted to touch it and so now in the

1169
00:52:58,770 --> 00:52:56,110
past few years it's become you know

1170
00:53:00,540 --> 00:52:58,780
quite popular on the Internet and so I

1171
00:53:02,310 --> 00:53:00,550
credit that too when you've got more

1172
00:53:04,110 --> 00:53:02,320
people aware more people looking more

1173
00:53:05,850 --> 00:53:04,120
people taking reports well of course

1174
00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:05,860
you're going to get a lot more and and

1175
00:53:10,410 --> 00:53:08,290
it will seem like there may have been

1176
00:53:12,870 --> 00:53:10,420
just as many of the creatures beforehand

1177
00:53:16,980 --> 00:53:12,880
there just weren't as many looking for

1178
00:53:21,150 --> 00:53:16,990
them and recording them have you had any

1179
00:53:23,790 --> 00:53:21,160
accounts in your area of these uprights

1180
00:53:26,100 --> 00:53:23,800
showing any type of aggression because

1181
00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:26,110
quite frankly the reports we've received

1182
00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:28,690
here in Pennsylvania they don't

1183
00:53:33,210 --> 00:53:30,610
necessarily show aggression but they

1184
00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:33,220
stand your ground right right if it

1185
00:53:39,870 --> 00:53:36,130
seems very much like territorial defense

1186
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:39,880
to me although there's in a lot of

1187
00:53:45,500 --> 00:53:42,370
really you can't help but see some sort

1188
00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:45,510
of a note of what looks like kind of

1189
00:53:51,570 --> 00:53:48,370
sarcasm almost and and sometimes it's

1190
00:53:53,610 --> 00:53:51,580
like they enjoy stopping and scaring the

1191
00:53:55,470 --> 00:53:53,620
people and and that makes us they know

1192
00:53:57,540 --> 00:53:55,480
they've you know raised raised the hair

1193
00:53:59,520 --> 00:53:57,550
on the hackles of their necks really

1194
00:54:01,770 --> 00:53:59,530
well then they'll bound off into the

1195
00:54:04,620 --> 00:54:01,780
cornfield or the woods or wherever it is

1196
00:54:06,870 --> 00:54:04,630
and people will continually hear these

1197
00:54:09,900 --> 00:54:06,880
same three words they'll say you know I

1198
00:54:12,200 --> 00:54:09,910
felt that it was sneering or jeering or

1199
00:54:19,140 --> 00:54:12,210
leering something all of those words

1200
00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:19,150
connote an idea of distaste or thinking

1201
00:54:22,650 --> 00:54:20,170
they're better than

1202
00:54:24,059 --> 00:54:22,660
the other person that sort of thing and

1203
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:24,069
that's just not something you normally

1204
00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:26,290
hear from people who run into say a bear

1205
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:29,170
you know or a coyote I'm who ever said I

1206
00:54:34,770 --> 00:54:30,970
felt I felt that the bear was sneering

1207
00:54:37,079 --> 00:54:34,780
at me you know it it's it's just it's

1208
00:54:40,770 --> 00:54:37,089
just a different sort of feeling and

1209
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:40,780
people also say that they feel these

1210
00:54:47,039 --> 00:54:43,770
animals struck them as more intelligent

1211
00:54:49,410 --> 00:54:47,049
than just your animal regular animal and

1212
00:54:53,010 --> 00:54:49,420
I mean bears and wolves are both pretty

1213
00:54:55,680 --> 00:54:53,020
high on the IQ scale for animals so to

1214
00:54:57,660 --> 00:54:55,690
say something is more intelligent than a

1215
00:55:00,270 --> 00:54:57,670
natural bear or wolf is really saying

1216
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:00,280
something yeah you know we've had

1217
00:55:06,289 --> 00:55:02,410
instances where people have come across

1218
00:55:10,740 --> 00:55:06,299
these beans and have been armed but

1219
00:55:12,120 --> 00:55:10,750
absolutely refuse or even very hesitant

1220
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:12,130
to even take a shot at it

1221
00:55:17,390 --> 00:55:15,010
I don't know if it's because of it it's

1222
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:17,400
putting all some type of vibe or

1223
00:55:23,910 --> 00:55:21,010
whatever the reason is but we have you

1224
00:55:26,099 --> 00:55:23,920
know we have not ever had any instance

1225
00:55:28,829 --> 00:55:26,109
where somebody's taking a shot at this

1226
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:28,839
thing oh I've had several you know one

1227
00:55:34,559 --> 00:55:30,970
was a guy who was out fishing in a flat

1228
00:55:37,849 --> 00:55:34,569
boat one of the southern states and saw

1229
00:55:40,620 --> 00:55:37,859
an upright dog man or wolf-like creature

1230
00:55:42,539 --> 00:55:40,630
standing right on the shore and when he

1231
00:55:43,859 --> 00:55:42,549
looked at it his bar his dog was in the

1232
00:55:45,210 --> 00:55:43,869
boat with him and started barking and

1233
00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:45,220
the creature started coming right on

1234
00:55:50,789 --> 00:55:48,130
into the water toward the dog and so he

1235
00:55:53,819 --> 00:55:50,799
did shoot it he had an automatic pistol

1236
00:55:55,740 --> 00:55:53,829
and he gave it a couple of good rounds

1237
00:55:58,260 --> 00:55:55,750
and he said it just ran off into the

1238
00:55:59,640 --> 00:55:58,270
woods and he stayed in the boat a little

1239
00:56:01,740 --> 00:55:59,650
longer because he was kind of afraid to

1240
00:56:03,630 --> 00:56:01,750
go look but when he did there was no

1241
00:56:05,490 --> 00:56:03,640
sign there were a few drops of blood and

1242
00:56:08,789 --> 00:56:05,500
nothing really you know he thought he'd

1243
00:56:12,750 --> 00:56:08,799
find a dead feature you know 100 feet in

1244
00:56:14,789 --> 00:56:12,760
but no nothing nothing showed up I have

1245
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:14,799
had a farmer tell me that he's sure he

1246
00:56:18,630 --> 00:56:16,450
shot one he said it was standing upright

1247
00:56:20,190 --> 00:56:18,640
and it looked like a wolf and he was

1248
00:56:22,470 --> 00:56:20,200
afraid it was coming toward him and he

1249
00:56:24,660 --> 00:56:22,480
shot it and then when it was just lying

1250
00:56:26,849 --> 00:56:24,670
there dead he said it just didn't look

1251
00:56:29,700 --> 00:56:26,859
any different from a big old timber wolf

1252
00:56:31,349 --> 00:56:29,710
and they do come down that wildlife

1253
00:56:33,750 --> 00:56:31,359
corridor that I met that I mentioned

1254
00:56:35,370 --> 00:56:33,760
before so there's not a

1255
00:56:38,069 --> 00:56:35,380
a breeding population of wolves

1256
00:56:40,319 --> 00:56:38,079
necessarily but they passed sir they can

1257
00:56:43,799 --> 00:56:40,329
be in the area but he said he was afraid

1258
00:56:45,569 --> 00:56:43,809
that he would get fined big time and

1259
00:56:47,370 --> 00:56:45,579
they can take if they if you just

1260
00:56:49,079 --> 00:56:47,380
something like that they can take away

1261
00:56:52,109 --> 00:56:49,089
your car I mean you know it can get

1262
00:56:54,240 --> 00:56:52,119
pretty pretty bad punishment so he said

1263
00:56:56,759 --> 00:56:54,250
he just dug a big hole and put him in it

1264
00:56:58,319 --> 00:56:56,769
and covering it up and you know wouldn't

1265
00:57:00,990 --> 00:56:58,329
take anybody to where it was you know

1266
00:57:02,849 --> 00:57:01,000
I'm like please can you dig it up yeah I

1267
00:57:04,349 --> 00:57:02,859
really have to see the ball and sneeze

1268
00:57:06,720 --> 00:57:04,359
sneezes nope nope I'm not gonna have

1269
00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:06,730
somebody take Mike shocker right you

1270
00:57:11,039 --> 00:57:08,650
know my stuff I just told you so you

1271
00:57:12,569 --> 00:57:11,049
know there was one and that he had

1272
00:57:14,670 --> 00:57:12,579
waited I was speaking and he had waited

1273
00:57:17,069 --> 00:57:14,680
till everybody else was gone before he

1274
00:57:19,410 --> 00:57:17,079
told me that and he was not seeking

1275
00:57:21,150 --> 00:57:19,420
attention he was dead serious and kind

1276
00:57:25,500 --> 00:57:21,160
of frightened telling me at the time to

1277
00:57:27,930 --> 00:57:25,510
I couldn't it's amazing yeah well Linda

1278
00:57:30,839 --> 00:57:27,940
how can people contact you and find your

1279
00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:30,849
books and where are you going to be

1280
00:57:37,740 --> 00:57:34,450
appearing at well the first question

1281
00:57:39,809 --> 00:57:37,750
Linda Godfrey calm no w's or anything

1282
00:57:42,660 --> 00:57:39,819
just go to Linda Godfrey calm it has my

1283
00:57:44,009 --> 00:57:42,670
book lists and bio page some recent

1284
00:57:46,499 --> 00:57:44,019
stories that haven't been posted

1285
00:57:48,569 --> 00:57:46,509
anywhere else or not in books lots of

1286
00:57:51,870 --> 00:57:48,579
other information so just Linda Godfrey

1287
00:57:54,890 --> 00:57:51,880
calm I'm going to be up at are going to

1288
00:57:58,019 --> 00:57:54,900
be in Milwaukee get just look up MKE

1289
00:58:00,269 --> 00:57:58,029
Paracon Milwaukee Paracon right in the

1290
00:58:02,910 --> 00:58:00,279
middle of October and believe it's at

1291
00:58:05,609 --> 00:58:02,920
the Irish Cultural Center again and

1292
00:58:08,009 --> 00:58:05,619
stuff is going to be debuting his

1293
00:58:09,240 --> 00:58:08,019
Wisconsin screening of that movie so if

1294
00:58:11,609 --> 00:58:09,250
you haven't seen that it's a good time

1295
00:58:13,259 --> 00:58:11,619
to do that too and then first weekend of

1296
00:58:17,210 --> 00:58:13,269
November I'm going to be up at the North

1297
00:58:19,769 --> 00:58:17,220
car North Star Casino up in bowler and

1298
00:58:23,700 --> 00:58:19,779
kind of over toward Green Bay that area

1299
00:58:25,259 --> 00:58:23,710
of Wisconsin for a brand new Paracon

1300
00:58:28,049 --> 00:58:25,269
that they're just starting this year and

1301
00:58:29,640 --> 00:58:28,059
that's gonna be a lot of fun to I'm

1302
00:58:32,370 --> 00:58:29,650
working on a couple of other projects

1303
00:58:36,749 --> 00:58:32,380
I've got a new book and having a very

1304
00:58:38,970 --> 00:58:36,759
laborious birth at my publishers it's

1305
00:58:41,819 --> 00:58:38,980
just taking of taking a very long time

1306
00:58:44,370 --> 00:58:41,829
for various reasons but should be out

1307
00:58:45,640 --> 00:58:44,380
sometime this year I'm hoping and that

1308
00:58:48,970 --> 00:58:45,650
goes even into

1309
00:58:52,599 --> 00:58:48,980
some of the really Wilder stuff so um

1310
00:58:54,339 --> 00:58:52,609
he'll be interesting well I look forward

1311
00:58:56,500 --> 00:58:54,349
to reading that you know Linda thanks

1312
00:58:58,779 --> 00:58:56,510
for coming on with me you know I could

1313
00:59:04,859 --> 00:58:58,789
probably talk for hours and hours and

1314
00:59:07,630 --> 00:59:04,869
days yeah we do keep in touch and try to

1315
00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:07,640
put reports you know give each other

1316
00:59:13,450 --> 00:59:10,250
reports on certain things that pop up or

1317
00:59:15,160 --> 00:59:13,460
away so I had to have you come on again

1318
00:59:17,319 --> 00:59:15,170
and when your new book comes out we'll

1319
00:59:19,599 --> 00:59:17,329
definitely have you on oh thanks so much

1320
00:59:23,710 --> 00:59:19,609
anytime you take care now

1321
00:59:27,069 --> 00:59:23,720
you too thanks a lot mm-hmm now before I

1322
00:59:31,329 --> 00:59:27,079
go let me leave this with the listeners

1323
00:59:33,789 --> 00:59:31,339
in the movies the villain always died in

1324
00:59:37,089 --> 00:59:33,799
the end even the monsters

1325
00:59:39,359 --> 00:59:37,099
for instance Dracula stick a wooden

1326
00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:39,369
stick in his heart and he turned to dust

1327
00:59:44,760 --> 00:59:41,930
but those things in our nightmares

1328
00:59:49,059 --> 00:59:44,770
always seem to come back to haunt us

1329
00:59:51,010 --> 00:59:49,069
sometimes beyond our dreams I think

1330
00:59:53,620 --> 00:59:51,020
every word for listening to the show and

1331
01:00:04,190 --> 00:59:53,630
for your support good night and have a

1332
01:00:04,200 --> 01:00:16,830
[Music]

1333
01:00:16,840 --> 01:00:20,260
[Applause]

1334
01:01:17,420 --> 01:00:41,900
[Music]